35mm Photography

35mm Photography



everybody welcome back once again to another episode of the art of photography my name is Ted Forbes as always what I want to talk about today is 35-millimeter and I've had questions with people via email recently it's interesting to me that film in the last couple years is starting to make kind of a big comeback some of that may be kind of trendy I think people commonly want to shoot or they do shoot digital they have a DSLR and they kind of get bitten by the film bug and they want to go experiment with film a little bit and see what that's all about and enjoy some of that and I got a question recently about getting into 35-millimeter somebody actually emailed me and was wondering you know there's obviously you know you're looking at you know 30 years of cameras and there's all these different models and stuff and what do you choose from those I will say this that it really doesn't matter as much it's a lot less critical than something like a modern DSLR and I'll explain why because modern DSLRs what you're basically paying for or the reason you would want to upgrade your your DSLR body over the years is that you know every couple years or every year sometimes in some cases cameras get better and these sensors get better they have a better dynamic range they have more megapixels they are sharper they just are better design they have better color rendition and so there are reasons why you would want to buy a new DSLR body however with 35 millimeter you don't have a sensor you're using film and so I you more or less changing your film type which is much cheaper changes that out quite a bit so if you're looking for an older 35 millimeter camera because there really aren't many new in production today it really doesn't matter too much I mean canons work great this is a little Canon a one that I've got there are all kinds of models much like DSLRs and usually it's a little bit of features metering stuff like that I would get one that probably I would suggest if this is your first time with 35 millimeter you get something was probably built in the 80s or early 90s and the only reason I say that is because the metering functions are a little better than say maybe a Nikon that was produced in the late 60s you're just getting a more crude meter although that's kind of fun too and unfortunately when you get into that zone you get into collector item cameras and so you're going to a lot of money you really don't need to get a Leica or you don't need to get anything really expensive particularly you're just trying this out you know there's a number of canons that are great I unfortunately own way too many of these just because they're fun to get into I've got several Nikon bodies that I like a lot the ones I would recommend especially on the Nikon line the classic models over there are my favorite which is the f3 which was made for years it's a great camera the main reason that I like the f3 so much I should have pulled that out was it has an emphasis and it's really easy to use on aperture priority metering and so literally it's a little different on this camera but you twist the ring collar to set your aperture and then it will compensate the shutter speed as a result usual readout it's just a very simple camera to use there's really not much to it the f3 is really good the FE 2 is really good I'll put links to these in the show notes so if you check out the website at the art of photography TV or if you're watching this on YouTube I'll have links in there for everything so but anyway the f3 the FE 2 is really good one the F m2 is really good I mean you're really not going to go wrong with any of these if you really want to go on a budget I would recommend either getting into Minolta gear which is very inexpensive particularly when you want to buy lenses there's not a whole lot of collectability with Minolta z' doesn't mean that not great cameras they are but it's just a little more inexpensive to get into the other thing I would look at is like Pentax like the k1000 is like you know for years was the ultimate student 35 millimeter camera all of these have you know for the most part these old SLR s have detachable lenses so I can just take that right off and I would suggest that you know in your lens Arsenal I really like to shoot prime lenses a lot and so I would suggest in your lens Arsenal you get something that's kinda on the wide end of the spectrum like maybe a 24 or 28 if you go lower than that you're going to start seeing some collectible stuff and rarely come up so the prices are higher but you know something that works 35 millimeter even I would get a good standard lens like this is a 50 millimeter it's a 50 millimeter 1.4 and really didn't cost a lot of money just because it's more or less an obsolete camera in in some terms that they don't make anymore I would get a portrait lens too so something like either an 85 millimeter or with icon one of my favorite ones is the 105 millimeter and it's the actually the 105 2.8 or 2.5 sorry there's a 2.8 also there's a 105 2.5 which is a really classic lens that I like and just kind of experiment around and shoot with things you could also get you know zoom lenses with with full 35 millimeter cameras as well so if you want some versatility Canon basically you know much like DSLRs today they've changed the mounts on them Canon lenses have changed their mounts completely and there's not a whole lot that you can mount this lens to anymore other than a Canon 35 millimeter camera I believe you can get adapters for Four Thirds format cameras I haven't tried it but I think that option is available but that's really about the only versatility you'll have whereas if you went the Nikon route Nikon lenses with some exceptions will still mount to modern Nikon cameras and you can get adapters to mount them to Canon cameras the focal distances is is such that that is available you lose a lot of the functions on there gonna be fully automatic or fully manual lenses like you don't have autofocus anymore because they were manual focus lenses you also have limited control over aperture stuff like that so your metering changes but you can use those lenses one of the things that I used to use my camp and my Nikon lens is a lot for was when I was shooting or when I shoot DSLR video on my Canon because they will mount and you're not using autofocus or changing your exposure in those situations and it's all live preview so they work really nicely for that so just some thoughts on that if you're wondering where to get used gear because you're really going to find much of this new anymore you can certainly try thrift shops ebay has been very popular I've bought stuff off of there before I don't recommend it as much because generally you're going to get something somebody pulled out of their attic that's been sitting a long time you can do ok with that but sometimes you find a camera that doesn't work some stuffs broken with it and even if you can you know haggle with the seller a little bit and get your money back or refund or something like that it's still a time consuming and it's an annoyance and a much better route and full disclosure here I don't get sponsorship or kickback but I've shopped with these people and I really like them his website called keh and i don't know what that stands for but it's keh calm and they sell used gear and they also go through everything and they're very upfront with what works if something doesn't work they tell you I'm pretty sure that they to some small degree at least overhaul cameras so my luck on there has been pretty good the thing you should know about keh is this and I think this is really pretty cool is they rate all of their camera gear on there and they only sell for the most part used gear and they have a rating system which is basically ugly in worst condition and then they have excellent plus condition on the high end and their rating system is very conservative I've bought stuff in fact I generally buy bargain condition used gear when I buy from them and it's just fine it looks new they're very strict with with with their ratings on that I've even bought lenses that were marked ugly condition and sometimes you're going to start to get blemishes in there but they're all still usable for the most part I bought stuff that works just fine you know no blemishes that would affect the picture quality at all although they do warn against that I've just never had bad luck with them usually they're excellent excellent plus ratings indicate that it's got the original boxes and it's really going to come looking like you just bought it off the shelf and it's going to be new so anyway you can save a lot of money and a lot of headache going with KH and I really recommend them particularly 35-millimeter gear they've got a lot of stuff on there they got a ton of lenses but you know you might try to put together a 35 mil system it's actually a lot of fun to play with I really one of the things and I'll end with this is in one of the reasons I like 35-millimeter it does have a certain look to the film it's not going to be as crystal clear and sharp and convenient and and this the certain beauty the digital cameras have it's got its own beauty it's a little more low resolution you can get a big scan out of it you're going to see film grain probably that you wouldn't see in a DSLR the colors and the film choices that you've got that's kind of the reason to go for it and there's a certain look to that that's really difficult without a lot of post-production and even then kind of kind of difficult sometimes to achieve with the digital I also like to shoot black-and-white film and there's a certain look to real black-and-white film that I again without a lot of post-processing and messing around you just get it right out of the camera and so those are some really good reasons to want to go shoot thirty five-millimeter there is a I remember a couple years ago was in New York and just north of Houston Street there's a like a gallery that's over there and the front part of the like a gallery is a camera store with you know very expensive cameras in it and the back part is a gallery and at the time and I don't remember who it was is Bill ray or somebody like that probably bill because there was a bunch of photos of Marilyn Monroe and her wedding and the like and that was kind of one of the first times that I realized you know these were blown up to 16 by 20 which is kind of a dangerous area to blow up a 35-millimeter negative but there's a certain look that you don't get with other formats even with other film formats like large format or medium format that is really beautiful it's like the grain is just the right size and the resolution is just the right way and there's there's a real classic look to that you know anything back to the photographer's of the you know late 40s through probably the 60s the guys like contra carte I ever saw Robert Frank you know those guys that really had kind of that classic look to them say oh those are just some things to consider and you know there's just also the convenience and ease of use one of the things that kind of bothers me about modern digital equipment is that it starts feeling like a computer in a lot of ways and this isn't a bad thing you have a lot more control and a lot more options when you're shooting however there's something about being spontaneous about that that is more difficult so you know if I have to scroll through menus on the back of a camera to try to figure out how to change a setting for me sometimes that can take away certainly from sponte and being in the heat of the moment whereas a 35-millimeter camera you got a fixed ISO and they're largely aperture priority and actually getting into shutter priority starts requiring a little bit fiddling but there's no computer screen to go through there's no dials there's there's just a handful of settings that you set and go on here and for me something that brings back a lot of the fun and just being spontaneous and shooting pictures again this is not a film versus digital debate I think in fact I'm supporting both singing they're both valid but for those of you who want to get into 35-millimeter and try it out I thought give you a little little overview of where you can find cameras what to look for stuff like that so anyway once again follow me on Twitter my name is Ted Forbes my handle is twitter.com slash Ted Forbes and visit the show's website at the art of photography TV and once again my name is Ted thank you for watching

39 thoughts on “35mm Photography”

  1. I have a 35mm EOS 630 from years ago, I put my digital kit together so I could use the same lenses on both bodies and what I try on my digital I can then shoot on 35mm if I think I got what I want.

  2. I have a canon rebel e0s 200 and a canon AE 1 program and I love them both. I like the AE-1 for the heft and the manual focus. I like the EOS for the autofocus and gadgets. I shoot B&W in the AE 1 and color in the EOS. I like the B&W because I process it at home. The color I send out and then scan in on my titan. I compare shooting film to shooting a single shot rifle you learn to get it right the 1st time instead of getting one shot out of 30 on target. It causes you to blend more with your camera.

  3. And here I am 🙂 …….Thank you for your once AGAIN 🙂 so inspiring lesson Ted, I am really thankful for the daily private lesson that you prepared years ago, sorry I could not start back then, when I was younger… but this is perfect, I can watch and listen over and over… can't get enough of you LOL.
    Of course it is all about black and white analoge film for me… see you tomorrow!!! stay well!!! and keep doing what I like …. you are Fab U Lous!

  4. Do you have a video here on how to do landscapes for beginners? Got a Canon AE-1. Really like your video. Great info you put out, especially that sight you mentioned for used parts and equipment. Thanks, really appreciate it.

  5. I started with a Canon FTb in about 1978. Next was an AE-1 program, followed by an A1 and an F1. In 1996, I bought my first digital camera – a 1mp Kodak. Everyone I met was so impressed, as it was usually the first digital camera they had seen. I soon went back to Canon. I don't remember the first couple camera I had – maybe an XT1 and an XS1? Now I shoot with a T5i. All of them are the lowest-level Canon digitals, but I enjoy them very much. And for me, as a hobbyist only, that's what it's all about. However, if anyone out there has an old Canon 5d (from original to the latest) you're more than welcome to send it my way.

  6. Im rocking a FD 55mm f1.2 SCC lens on my canon 6d. No converter, but the actual mount has been converted (EDMIKA conversions). Unfortunately if i focus beyond 6 meters, the back element hits the shutter speed. So I have to liveview if i wanna focus beyond 6 meters. (on APS-C camera's this is no problem). Other than that the lens is absolutely astonishing. But damn manual focus is tiring, and not accurate, cuz im a newb

  7. I've brought out my Konica TC-X and will be playing with that. I found 5 exposed rolls of film. Do you think they're still ok even though they're 20 years old or so? They've been stored in a cool and dark place.

  8. Minolta inexpensive…..Hmmm….50mm 1.2 and other rare lenses cost a fortune. Love Minolta btw, happy to own a bunch and some. XD11/7 is wonderful. X-700 is good, easy to get and the X-570/500 is better when you shoot in M. So many choices…

  9. I recently got two Minoltas, one from the 70s, one from the 80s, and a Pentax SP1000, with 4 very nice lenses. I found the later you go the more sense they start to make in design. As in they get lighter, they start to get a bit more shape ergonomically. They're still heavy and flat most of the time, which is a bit of a pain in the hands, but also things like knobs switches and buttons get better placement. – Like for example the 70s Minolta has an EV-setting incorporated into the dial that also has the mode, shutter-speeds, and ASA/ISO-settings on it, while the one from the 80s has it together with the ASA/ISO on a new completely separate dial that's also more accessible and usable without looking at it on-the-fly.

    So I recommend finding a good balance between quality and design or features. – Like the old Pentax I have, that's just a rectangle paperweight with a lens on it… Not saying it doesn't take beautiful images, but it's really basic in design. A shutter-trigger, the shutter-speed, the ASA/ISO, a winder of course, a meter through the viewfinder that only indicates the medium with a needle, and that's about it. – Interestingly it does have a DOF-preview while the 70s Minolta does not, so it seems kind of advanced for its time. But more convenient or luxurious design didn't seem to start until like the early '80s or so. – Holding a dSLR from the 21st century feels amazing after these, but that's just how it is…

  10. i find older film cameras more intuitive than dslrs. i struggle with menus find manual mode difficult to use. and with there power saver function digital cameras have always turn themselves off when i need them. with older film cameras i have a good feel for expsosure focus and such.

  11. I love your channel. I fucking lost my Canon G5 X a while ago. And I found a Nikon FG 20 with the 50 1.8, so I bought it of course. Really excited about it.

  12. Get a Nikon N75, N80, or N100. These will work fine with all your Nikon G Dx lenses and will autofocus with them. Vignetting will occur under about 40mm, but is not a problem above 50mm. The N75 is almost identical in size to the D3300 and uses the same wireless remote, and fits into the same case. The N75 was the last new Nikon designed film camera in 2002, and was made until 2006 when Nikon stopped making film cameras for amateurs. I use both a Nikon F75 35mm camera, and a Nikon D3300 24mp digital aps-c camera, and they shoot photographs of equal quality. I prefer the F75 for most applications. [N-USA version, F- Foreign version]

  13. Could you tell me what sort of cameras were used in the 80's to photograph punk rock bands like Black Flag and minor threat? Also, how were the photos shot in black and white? Was it just the camera, the type of film or the developing process?

  14. Thanks for this, Ted, and all the other videos. It's a great source of inspiration, motivation and meditation in one.

    Two questions cannot leave my mind and I have pondered over them over and over and over and over again. And yet, it's far from over.

    First is how can I make money shooting what I want? (travel, lifestyle – more like a documentary photography)

    The second, to see what is your opinion on this, is how can I make money shooting film only? (So that I can carry only FM2 + 50mm + 35mm and bunch of film rolls for example, doing a project for several weeks/months and then developing and scanning later)

    I just have this idea in my head. Like when H.S.Thompson joined Hell's Angels and rode with them and then wrote about it. I imagine myself doing the same thing with my camera. Just documenting how these guys, and many others, live.

    The only things that come to my mind is making a film documentary about such people, publishing a book of photographs. The profits will never cover the costs of the project though. But it's a lifestyle choice – finding people who live their lives in an interesting way – out of usual comfort zones, or passionately going for what they love.

    Once again, thanks for your videos Ted.
    Best,
    Martin

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